My next bike: 600SS... but what?

[DJ Nathan V]

Soon (soon being relative to money....) I'm going to upgrade to a 600SS on the street, which will be a track bike once it's paid off.

I find the Honda uninspiring to look at and offset sliders or cutting the fairings for sliders doesn't appeal to me. The CBR is out.

I like the Yami a lot technically and aesthetically, especially since it'll rock on the track once I move it off the street.

Didn't care that much about the Kawi until I rode one this week. Liked it a lot. Smooth powerband.... How are they on the track though?

Everyone in Seattle has a damn GSXR... but they still look good. Seems like they do well on the track, too. ... but EVERYONE has one. Not as quick as the Yami's on the track either.


I need to ride the Yami and the GSXR still, for sure. I'll probably get to ride an R1 in the next month but that won't tell me much about the R6.

Thoughts? If you have an 06-08 model of these why did you choose it and what do you like/dislike on it?

These are the ones I'm looking at: (the colors even)

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/1130/120776026717ft008yzfr6szb6.jpg

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9661/120776026717ft0aa775f24dh5.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5813/120776026717ft0gsxr600kjj1.jpg

[PlayfulGod]

600RR, you cant go wrong with a Honda :good:

[DJ Nathan V]

600RR, you cant go wrong with a Honda :good:

The 2008s are SO BORING though. I might consider an 07 if I can get one in white.... but I still don't like the fact that that you have to offset the frame sliders. I also consider undertail exhaust to be a negative.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/2007HondaCBR600RR-003.jpg/800px-2007HondaCBR600RR-003.jpg

2007 in blue is ....okay.

[acalliste]

The only other bike I considered besides the gsxr750 i just got was the Triumph 675. That is one sexy bike.

[DJ Nathan V]

The only other bike I considered besides the gsxr750 i just got was the Triumph 675. That is one sexy bike.

Ever ride one?

I think it's out of my budget...? Not sure about 600SS race eligibility either...

[acalliste]

I have a friend who has one prepared for the track. I've not ridden one yet, but this guy (who has raced in the past) has done nothing but rave about how well it handles.

I couldn't tell you if it breaks any rules. I would think that it being a 3 cylinder was enough of a handicap to make up for the extra 75cc. The 636 is still race eligible isn't it? And it's a 4 cylinder....

[PlayfulGod]

The 2008s are SO BORING though. I might consider an 07 if I can get one in white.... but I still don't like the fact that that you have to offset the frame sliders. I also consider undertail exhaust to be a negative.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/2007HondaCBR600RR-003.jpg/800px-2007HondaCBR600RR-003.jpg

2007 in blue is ....okay.

you buying a bike for its looks or its abiltiies? I've seen the graffiti 600RR it looks real good in person. The orange tribal doesnt look bad either. The white is the best color.

[acalliste]

Those white CBRs are even more sexah in person than they are in pics, so is the blue one. I really like that bike. But not enough for it win out over a GSXR750. :)

[DJ Nathan V]

I have a friend who has one prepared for the track. I've not ridden one yet, but this guy (who has raced in the past) has done nothing but rave about how well it handles.

I couldn't tell you if it breaks any rules. I would think that it being a 3 cylinder was enough of a handicap to make up for the extra 75cc. The 636 is still race eligible isn't it? And it's a 4 cylinder....

Depends on the group you're racing with I think.

3. Supersport classes will be:
a. 600 Supersport
I. up to 600cc four-stroke multi-cylinder
II. up to 675cc four-stroke three cylinder
III. up to 750cc four-stroke twins


Guess that fits for WMRRA! Looking up pricing now...

[DJ Nathan V]

you buying a bike for its looks or its abiltiies? I've seen the graffiti 600RR it looks real good in person. The orange tribal doesnt look bad either. The white is the best color.

Both. :nee: Looks take second place but performance the Yami kills the honduh so.... :tongue:

I don't like the graffiti at all.

[samurai-kitty]

you buying a bike for its looks or its abiltiies? I've seen the graffiti 600RR it looks real good in person. The orange tribal doesnt look bad either. The white is the best color.

*drool*

[PlayfulGod]

Both. :nee: Looks take second place but performance the Yami kills the honduh so.... :tongue:

I don't like the graffiti at all.

top speed isnt everthing :lol:the yami has its good points, the gsxr has its good points, the Honda is good all the way across the board. :grin:

[DJ Nathan V]

http://www.triumph.co.uk/images/Daytona675_colour_main_1_2008.jpg

Never saw the price on these before... This is a possibility too! $9k is actually cheaper than the other three.

[DJ Nathan V]

top speed isnt everthing :lol:the yami has its good points, the gsxr has its good points, the Honda is good all the way across the board. :grin:

Funny how they rarely get better than 6th place in any WSBK standings... No 1sts this year yet, and always behind a GSXR1000 or an R1. :nee: Overall listed 4th after the 1098, GSXR, and R1.

[acalliste]

http://www.triumph.co.uk/images/Daytona675_colour_main_1_2008.jpg

Never saw the price on these before... This is a possibility too! $9k is actually cheaper than the other three.




Yeah, that's not bad. But you could probably get a better deal on an '07 right now, in any brand. Have you called any dealers or are you just looking at MSRP?

[DJ Nathan V]

Yeah, that's not bad. But you could probably get a better deal on an '07 right now, in any brand. Have you called any dealers or are you just looking at MSRP?

MSRP right now because I'm still some amount of $$ away. Crunching down the loan on the 500 and once it hits ~ trade in value that bike is gone. Once I'm within a few weeks of purchase I'll be calling people and looking at inventories.

[acalliste]

Gotcha! You should be able to get a much better deal, I would think.

[PlayfulGod]

Funny how they rarely get better than 6th place in any WSBK standings... No 1sts this year yet, and always behind a GSXR1000 or an R1. :nee: Overall listed 4th after the 1098, GSXR, and R1.

On the track it has as much to do with the rider n setup as it does the bike, so :neener:

the 675 is hawt tho. :grin:

[DJ Nathan V]

On the track it has as much to do with the rider n setup as it does the bike, so :neener:

the 675 is hawt tho. :grin:

:butbutbut:


I know, just messing with ya. :) The 07 CBRs are well rated, and I was considering one for a bit... we'll see. The undertail is still a neg for me though.

[PlayfulGod]

:butbutbut:


I know, just messing with ya. :) The 07 CBRs are well rated, and I was considering one for a bit... we'll see. The undertail is still a neg for me though.

why the undertail exhaust a negative? The stock sux soundwise, but the jardine etc look sweet n sound badass. n its up out of the way :lol:

[acalliste]

I don't like the undertail either... just doesn't look right.

[PlayfulGod]

I like em, only the RR's tho. I think the ones on the R1 look like to turds hanging on its sides.

[DJ Nathan V]

why the undertail exhaust a negative? The stock sux soundwise, but the jardine etc look sweet n sound badass. n its up out of the way :lol:



I don't like the undertail either... just doesn't look right.

Actually, I like the cleaner LOOK... and the sound is sweet with the intake in front of you and the exhaust right behind.... but it's a neg on performance and I have just never been a real fan of it. I think Yamaha and Buell have the best ideas on the exhaust.... short and/or out of the way.

[acalliste]

I like the traditional look/position, and I also like the stubby look. Now. I didn't like it at first, but it grew on me.

[StealthBlackRR]

Gotta go with the Honda RR here.....the suspension, undertail exhaust, and overall fit and finish of the whole bike were the selling points for me. Different strokes for different folks....I love the undertail, makes the bike look even and balanced out IMO.

[Lynk]

Nathan, forget about which one is better on the track... really. :big_boss:

All of the current 600s are competitive on the track. The only reason that the Yamaha's are doing better at the local circuit is due to the rider. When it comes right down to it, rider comfort is what matters. If you aren't comfortable on the bike, then you'll never get fast on the track.

Take your time, and sit on every bike you find. Stay there for 10-15 minutes. How does it feel? Now, think about sliding from cheek to cheek, one side of the bike to the other. Does the stock seat, tank, and tail get in your way? Remember that all of those must remain stock to race in WMRRA SuperSport.

Pegs and handlebars can be adjusted to an extent, but you'll still want to consider the overall seat-to-bars and seat-to-pegs size of the cockpit. There's not much difference among the big four, but you could probably find a reasonably priced 749 if you need something larger. My guess is that you'll be fine with the Japanese imports.

Finally, if you still think that you need the best in performance, over all else, then I leave you one thing to consider. By the time that you get fast enough for the minor performance differences amonst the big-four to matter, a current model bike will be out of contingency.

Best of luck! :drinks:

[R1Gurl]

R6 FTW

[tallywacker]

I love the R6

[DJ Nathan V]

Nathan, forget about which one is better on the track... really. :big_boss:

All of the current 600s are competitive on the track. The only reason that the Yamaha's are doing better at the local circuit is due to the rider. When it comes right down to it, rider comfort is what matters. If you aren't comfortable on the bike, then you'll never get fast on the track.

Take your time, and sit on every bike you find. Stay there for 10-15 minutes. How does it feel? Now, think about sliding from cheek to cheek, one side of the bike to the other. Does the stock seat, tank, and tail get in your way? Remember that all of those must remain stock to race in WMRRA SuperSport.

Pegs and handlebars can be adjusted to an extent, but you'll still want to consider the overall seat-to-bars and seat-to-pegs size of the cockpit. There's not much difference among the big four, but you could probably find a reasonably priced 749 if you need something larger. My guess is that you'll be fine with the Japanese imports.

Finally, if you still think that you need the best in performance, over all else, then I leave you one thing to consider. By the time that you get fast enough for the minor performance differences amonst the big-four to matter, a current model bike will be out of contingency.

Best of luck! :drinks:

Contingency isn't a worry...

Whatever I get will be streeted for at LEAST a full season unless I suddenly start making a lot more money.

Good points though, for sure. So far, the best feeling bike is the R6. I sat on it for probably 20 mins at the shop one day while they were figuring out my loan options for picking it up and how much I could get for the 500. Love how the curve of the tank feels.

[Lynk]

... Love how the curve of the tank feels.

See, it's the exact opposite for me! Unless I've got my leather pants on, that curve wants to damage the merchandise. I need the flatter tank from the GSXR for street riding. :dirol:

[PlayfulGod]

See, it's the exact opposite for me! Unless I've got my leather pants on, that curve wants to damage the merchandise. I need the flatter tank from the GSXR for street riding. :dirol:

if your 'junk' is against the tank you need to scoot back :lol:

[DJ Nathan V]

if your 'junk' is against the tank you need to scoot back :lol:

+1. :D

[DJ Nathan V]

MSPaint edit:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2019/r6aa4.jpg

Planned mods:


GYTR Carbon Fiber Exhaust
Power Commander 3 USB
Galfer stainless steel brake lines
Scotts steering dampener
Pazzo short brake long clutch levers in black
Stompgrip tank grips
Greggs Customs Flushmount Signals (front)
Lockhart Phillips Short Stalk III Carbon/Clear Signals (rear)
Clear Alternatives Integrated LED tail light Smoked
BMC air filter
Woodcraft Rear-sets
Woodcraft engine covers
Woodcraft clipons
Woodcraft black swingarm slider spools
Woodcraft frame sliders
Yamaha Carbon Fiber Hugger
Yamaha Carbon Fiber swingarm guards
Yamaha Carbon Fiber tank pad
Yamaha Carbon Fiber tank trim
Yamaha Carbon Fiber chain guard
Yamaha Carbon Fiber fairing accents
Yamaha Silver billet engine plugs
Yamaha Solo cowl
Yamaha Blacked out swingarm axel adjustors
Yamaha Double Bubble tinted windscreen
Custom made fender eliminator
Removed passenger pegs


Possible alternatives....
Full Termignoni CF exhaust
Full Two Brothers CF exhaust
Full Graves CF exhaust
Full TiForce CF exhaust

[workinonit]

i would go for the suzuki gsxr because they do make exellent track bikes and they are really popular so that just means there is more stuff to buy for it to make it a little different

[DJ Nathan V]

Maybe.... but freaking EVERYONE in seattle has a damn GSXR.... but the Yami throws down better lap times... and the 08 should be even better with the YCCI

[PlayfulGod]

:stop:

get the 600RR

:drinks:

:to_become_senile:

[DJ Nathan V]

:stop:

get the 600RR

:drinks:

:to_become_senile:

It sux0r on the track here tho...and the only one I liked was the 2007 in white and I think the last one at the shop here sold. :sad:

[PlayfulGod]

It sux0r on the track here tho...and the only one I liked was the 2007 in white and I think the last one at the shop here sold. :sad:

they dont suxor nowhere :lol: Go test ride one of each and get which ever one is the most comfortable to you. Just cuz joe blow got a fast lap on a yami dont mean you will. :drinks:


I prefer the RR tho :grin:

[DJ Nathan V]

they dont suxor nowhere :lol: Go test ride one of each and get which ever one is the most comfortable to you. Just cuz joe blow got a fast lap on a yami dont mean you will. :drinks:


I prefer the RR tho :grin:

Nobody here does test rides except Ducati, Buell, and BMW.

[PlayfulGod]

Nobody here does test rides except Ducati, Buell, and BMW.

beg or borrow then :lol:

[DJ Nathan V]

beg or borrow then :lol:

I don't ride other peoples bikes. It's just not a good idea.

[PlayfulGod]

I don't ride other peoples bikes. It's just not a good idea.

when it comes to spending out 8k, just do it :lol:

[DJ Nathan V]

when it comes to spending out 8k, just do it :lol:

New + tax and license... almost $11k :dntknw:

[R1Gurl]

MSPaint edit:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2019/r6aa4.jpg

Planned mods:


GYTR Carbon Fiber Exhaust
Power Commander 3 USB
Galfer stainless steel brake lines
Scotts steering dampener
Pazzo short brake long clutch levers in black
Stompgrip tank grips
Greggs Customs Flushmount Signals (front)
Lockhart Phillips Short Stalk III Carbon/Clear Signals (rear)
Clear Alternatives Integrated LED tail light Smoked
BMC air filter
Woodcraft Rear-sets
Woodcraft engine covers
Woodcraft clipons
Woodcraft black swingarm slider spools
Woodcraft frame sliders
Yamaha Carbon Fiber Hugger
Yamaha Carbon Fiber swingarm guards
Yamaha Carbon Fiber tank pad
Yamaha Carbon Fiber tank trim
Yamaha Carbon Fiber chain guard
Yamaha Carbon Fiber fairing accents
Yamaha Silver billet engine plugs
Yamaha Solo cowl
Yamaha Blacked out swingarm axel adjustors
Yamaha Double Bubble tinted windscreen
Custom made fender eliminator
Removed passenger pegs


Possible alternatives....
Full Termignoni CF exhaust
Full Two Brothers CF exhaust
Full Graves CF exhaust
Full TiForce CF exhaustDon't lilsten to them, hun the bike is stunning without all the mods, but it's going to be fookin beautiful with the mods.

[PlayfulGod]

Don't lilsten to them, hun the bike is stunning without all the mods, but it's going to be fookin beautiful with the mods.

if he tracks it it wont stay beautiful for long :lol: And he will see they aint all that on the street too so :neener:

[PlayfulGod]

New + tax and license... almost $11k :dntknw:

for a 600?? you're getting ass raped. I can get a 08 1kRR for 11k out the door.

[DJ Nathan V]

if he tracks it it wont stay beautiful for long :lol:

Ass :whip:

[DJ Nathan V]

for a 600?? you're getting ass raped. I can get a 08 1kRR for 11k out the door.

No you cannot. Base is $11.6

[PlayfulGod]

No you cannot. Base is $11.6

oh yea?

http://www.southernhonda.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=01190607X4K30K2008J7I12 I01JPMQ1606R0&veh=53886&CatDesc=Motorcycles&ModelYear=2008

[PlayfulGod]

or the 08 600RR for $8199

[DJ Nathan V]

oh yea?

http://www.southernhonda.com/new_vehicle_detail.asp?sid=01190607X4K30K2008J7I12 I01JPMQ1606R0&veh=53886&CatDesc=Motorcycles&ModelYear=2008

+tax
+registration
+setup
+destination

It's almost $11k just with tax.

[PlayfulGod]

+tax
+registration
+setup
+destination

It's almost $11k just with tax.

nope. they make their money off gear n service contracts. Know serveral ppl that got 07 600RR's for near $7500 out the door.

[Kawboy]

<== 2008 ZX10R... 11,300.00 out the door... I can scan the sales agreement if you want...

[DJ Nathan V]

What is the tax rate where you fookers are?

[Kawboy]

What is the tax rate where you fookers are?

6% here

[PlayfulGod]

7%

[PlayfulGod]

What is the tax rate where you fookers are? not to mention the place I linked sells the bikes at cost. They make thier money on gear n maintenance contracts.

[DJ Nathan V]

Y'all suck, haha. It's 8.8% on most stuff and 9.19% on vehicles.

[Amblyopic]

I agree.

you're getting ass raped w/o any lube... but hey at least they're wearing a condom... sucks that it's covered in shards of broken glass....


That probably doesn't feel good.


Got the Busa 11050 out the door, TTL, everything.....


If i can score that w/ that beast, you gotta be able to get out a lot cheaper.

[DJ Nathan V]

I agree.

you're getting ass raped w/o any lube... but hey at least they're wearing a condom... sucks that it's covered in shards of broken glass....


That probably doesn't feel good.


Got the Busa 11050 out the door, TTL, everything.....


If i can score that w/ that beast, you gotta be able to get out a lot cheaper.

Hmm....

[PlayfulGod]

Hmm....

ass sore yet??? :lol:

[Amblyopic]

ass sore yet??? :lol:

:lol:

He needs to shop around...

And being in seattle.... I'd advise checking out the OR state stores. Depending on sales tax there vs local tax you could end up being better off.

first off... settle on a bike you want.

then.. get quotes. Try to find a mom-n-pop shop, they tend to not f'k you over on corporate ass-raping charges. Take the quotes and play 'em against one another.

[DJ Nathan V]

:lol:

He needs to shop around...

And being in seattle.... I'd advise checking out the OR state stores. Depending on sales tax there vs local tax you could end up being better off.

first off... settle on a bike you want.

then.. get quotes. Try to find a mom-n-pop shop, they tend to not f'k you over on corporate ass-raping charges. Take the quotes and play 'em against one another.

OR has no sales tax, but WA makes you pay WA tax when you register it for plates if you buy elsewhere without paying tax. Got ****ed for about $1k when I bought my car in OR.

I'm still looking, gonna hit up the Yami dealer not far from home soon too. There's few bike shops here that carry Yami that are even slightly close so we'll see. The biggest hit is still tax either way. :sad:

[Amblyopic]

Tax FTL.

[DJ Nathan V]

I now have a 2008 Yamaha YZF-R6 in liquid silver.

[DJ Nathan V]

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/3346/n50109941311267376399bq9.jpg

[PlayfulGod]

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/3346/n50109941311267376399bq9.jpg

Sweeet. Whats the first list of mods include??

[gaia3465]

you buying a bike for its looks or its abiltiies? I've seen the graffiti 600RR it looks real good in person. The orange tribal doesnt look bad either. The white is the best color.

the graffiti does look sooooo good.:)

[agjse94]

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/3346/n50109941311267376399bq9.jpg

looks nice DJ :thumbup:

[LeatherNuts]

Congrats on the buy man, I have an 07 in Red and LOVE it. Someone asked what your mods list was, having installed quite a few of the following I would suggest in order:

1. Frame sliders. LSL is my choice, trick look and I haven't seen anyone else with them.
2. Under tail. Comp Werkz was my choice, nice and clean and easy to install.
3. Flush mount front signals. I went with Protons and love them super bright even during the day, installed easy and fit great. If give the choice again I may have spent a little more and gone for the more custom looking ones from Watsen Designs.
http://www.hightechspeed.com/product...ghts/index.asp http://www.watsendesign.com/Yamaha_Products/06R6/06_R6.htm
4. -1/+2 sprocket conversion with a 520 pitch. The low end is sooooo bad on this bike. Once the RPMs are up no issues, but I hate even allowing the guy at the light the satisfaction of pulling a foot in front of me. Will help a lot in the corners as well.
5. Stearing stabilizer. I got the GPR V4 in red and black and really like thought of not getting the death shakes. Also at speed it's nice to crank it up some to give a more stable feel.
6. Exhaust. Personal preferance here, Termi is AMAZING but extremely ugly in my opinion. Haven't gotten it yet but I'm seriaously looking into the laser x-treme. http://www.laserexhausts.com/en/module/CATALOGUE_BIKES/bike-exhausts.html
Haven't seen anyone with it and the specs, sound, and looks are great.

Not that you asked for any of it, but hopefully it helps you.

[Skyegirlone]

http://www.triumph.co.uk/images/Daytona675_colour_main_1_2008.jpg

Never saw the price on these before... This is a possibility too! $9k is actually cheaper than the other three.


It is a beautiful bike a friend of mine has one and absolutely loves it.

[DJ Nathan V]

Congrats on the buy man, I have an 07 in Red and LOVE it. Someone asked what your mods list was, having installed quite a few of the following I would suggest in order:

1. Frame sliders. LSL is my choice, trick look and I haven't seen anyone else with them.
2. Under tail. Comp Werkz was my choice, nice and clean and easy to install.
3. Flush mount front signals. I went with Protons and love them super bright even during the day, installed easy and fit great. If give the choice again I may have spent a little more and gone for the more custom looking ones from Watsen Designs.
http://www.hightechspeed.com/product...ghts/index.asp http://www.watsendesign.com/Yamaha_Products/06R6/06_R6.htm
4. -1/+2 sprocket conversion with a 520 pitch. The low end is sooooo bad on this bike. Once the RPMs are up no issues, but I hate even allowing the guy at the light the satisfaction of pulling a foot in front of me. Will help a lot in the corners as well.
5. Stearing stabilizer. I got the GPR V4 in red and black and really like thought of not getting the death shakes. Also at speed it's nice to crank it up some to give a more stable feel.
6. Exhaust. Personal preferance here, Termi is AMAZING but extremely ugly in my opinion. Haven't gotten it yet but I'm seriaously looking into the laser x-treme. http://www.laserexhausts.com/en/module/CATALOGUE_BIKES/bike-exhausts.html
Haven't seen anyone with it and the specs, sound, and looks are great.

Not that you asked for any of it, but hopefully it helps you.

Good to know. :)