Bike laws

[o2lily]

What laws do you think should be implimented when it comes to motorcycle riding if ANY at all?

What do you feel would benefit the community as well as the rider themselves?

What laws are you strongly against?

Come on lets talk bout all them laws!

[psychochild28]

I think it should be mandatory to take the MSF course if you want to ride.

[PlayfulGod]

Its a double edged sword. I feel people should have the right to decide on their own. But I think people should wear a helmet but I dont think the govt has the right to tell me I have to wear one. And as far as the other gear one should wear, well that just shows how knowledgeable a rider is and how much they respect/value their own bodies.

[o2lily]

I think it should be mandatory to take the MSF course if you want to ride.


AGREED!!!

[Cutty72]

I think it should be mandatory to take the MSF course if you want to ride.

Good call. And one should have the MSF AND at least the endorsement before they can buy a bike.

I also think they should have tiered licensing system, to an extent.
At least don't let ppl start out on the busa's and 14's.

I think they should NOT have a helmet law.
Although I (almost) always wear my lid, I want it to be my choice to put it on.

[psychochild28]

Good call. And one should have the MSF AND at least the endorsement before they can buy a bike.

I also think they should have tiered licensing system, to an extent.
At least don't let ppl start out on the busa's and 14's.

I think they should NOT have a helmet law.
Although I (almost) always wear my lid, I want it to be my choice to put it on.



I agree with having taken the class and having endorsement before buying a bike.


Helmet laws:shutup: not going there to controversial. I always wear mine and so does everyone else I ride with.

[o2lily]

Ok so little miss big mouth here is gonna put it all out there.

I believe there should be a system to riding a bike.

First off you have to take the MSF if you are going to ride street and the dirt MSF if you are going to ride anything over an 80CC on dirt. Also I think that experienced riders should have to take a refresher course to sharpen their skills and deter them from making bad habits while riding.
I also believe that you should be restricted to what you can ride based of your level of experience OR SKILL, experience determined by riding miles and places ridden, skill would be determined by the refresher classes.

I mention skill because I know that a 250 for me is generally a waste of money but that I can handle a low power 600cc or high power 500cc while still being able to learn. There are some people out there where riding comes naturally to them and others that dont. Its those that dont who should be starting on the smaller bikes to determine their ride.
If I am not mistaken eurpoe or aust has laws like these in place.

Having these laws will keep people from buying bikes for looks or power because THEY CANT unless they have the stuff to back it up and show they are skilled enough to ride them.
Now dont ask me HOW they would impliment all this, I just think it would be a great idea.

Now for helmets, I think helmets should be a CHOICE but encouraged and I think that those under 18 riding should be required to wear a helmet. After 18 they can make a choice. Its no different than smoking ciggs...yep kids might not wear em, some might get caught, some might decide after they turn 18 to still wear it or not, either way I think it should be shown the benefits and given the choice.

I have a LOT to say when it comes to laws so I will wait for more topics to come up to chime in LOL

[Cutty72]

I agree with having taken the class and having endorsement before buying a bike.



The only tough part about that will be private party sales.
Though watching the dealerships would help
I did not have my endorsement when I bought my bike.
Actually, I did not even have a valid drivers license. it was on temporary suspension.

[o2lily]

True cutty, that is a downside for sure.

Again I dont know how they would keep up on these things but Im sure there is a way.


I mean lets think about it...why dont u hear about scooter accidents as much? Hell I hear about sport biking as in 10speed type bike - accidents more than I hear about scooters...so it CANT be that the cars done see us, they see scooters!

So its part rider error too...yeah left turning cars but shouldnt a rider expect to slow thru intersections ESP when there are left turning vehicles? or shouldnt the bike get close by a car in an intersection to make sure they arent hit first?
Use the traffic to your advantage...

[Cole]

....why dont u hear about scooter accidents as much? ...

Because most people equate a scoter to a bicycle. Most people that buy scooters do it because they think motorcycles are dangerouse but scooters are safe becasue they are just like bicycles in their mind.



I think we need a graduated lisencing system for sure.

Get a lisence for 1-250cc. Must maintain it for X-time then you can get 251cc-500cc, take additional test and maintain it for x-time etc, etc all the way up to an "open" lisence. I think it should take 5 years and 5 tests or so to get up to a 1000cc+ bike.

The BIG problem with this is the American made bikes that have huge displacement but very little power. HARLEYS are BIG business and will have a huge effect on this law.

[o2lily]

Because most people equate a scoter to a bicycle. Most people that buy scooters do it because they think motorcycles are dangerouse but scooters are safe becasue they are just like bicycles in their mind.



Well yeah I agree but still its not heard of accident-wise...come to think of it I didnt hear of one this whole season that comes to mind...
They are still ridden on the streets and thru intersections just like motorcycles are. I mean if the two major places accidents on motorcycles happen are in intersections and corners then wouldnt you expect to hear bout scooter accidents at least at intersections??


Heck I know all season I saw 3 scooters every day to and from work on the road. I mean every single day I'd see em. So they ride as much and on the busy roads I do, one of which had a couple of motorcycle related accidents this season.

There has to be something they are or arent doing that bikers arent.

[Greene22]

too many restrictions already i say.

somebody's always gotta be telling somebody else what to do...for their own good, i'm sure.

helmet laws = big brother
graduated liscense = idealistic nonsense

...u gunna tell a 40 year old guy that he has to buy a 250 just cause he lacks experience? and how about the guy who puts 20k a year ona bike?...he's gotta wait 5 years to get something fast?

fact is that kids (16-20) are shitty riders/drivers, and they are gunna wreck on bikes just like they wreck in cars...nothing will change that ever. As a result, Insurance rates for younggunz are sky high...so the system werks.

[Cutty72]

There has to be something they are or arent doing that bikers arent.

Things they aren't doing:
Wheelies
Stoppies
Speeds over 35 mph
Driving on major highways

[o2lily]

Things they aren't doing:
Wheelies
Stoppies
Speeds over 35 mph
Driving on major highways

Yeah but most accidents happen at low speeds like 30 MPH! hehe even in turns! And stats show that highways are safter than intersections too.
And I know plenty of people who werent riding fast, on the highway or doing stunts while riding that have wrecked LOL

[Cutty72]

Yeah but most accidents happen at low speeds like 30 MPH! hehe even in turns! And stats show that highways are safter than intersections too.
And I know plenty of people who werent riding fast, on the highway or doing stunts while riding that have wrecked LOL

scooters also don't accelerate as quickly as a sport bike. and most people don't ride them as aggressively

Many are probably more aware of their surroundings, as they know they are on a lil scoot...

[MrNoBody]

Things they aren't doing:
Speeds over 35 mph
Driving on major highways
not necessarily correct.. I've seen the Silver Wing can do 100 from stop light to stop light... some of those things can move...

graduated liscense = idealistic nonsense

...u gunna tell a 40 year old guy that he has to buy a 250 just cause he lacks experience? and how about the guy who puts 20k a year ona bike?...he's gotta wait 5 years to get something fast?


I agree... how could they tell Shaq that he has to get a 250 before he could get that custom chopper... graduated license does not take into account stature, if I had to get a 250 I would have had to get one in the 6th grade... some bikes are just too small for some people.

[o2lily]

So shouldnt we as bikers be just as if not MORE aware since we are indanger more often?

I think people get this sense of security when riding even with gear. I dont know...All the stuff I have seen and learned over the past year and 1/2 or so, I am going to be on alert all the time while still enjoying the ride. Hell I already had it in my head to use the traffic to my advantage than detriment!

[o2lily]

I agree... how could they tell Shaq that he has to get a 250 before he could get that custom chopper... graduated license does not take into account stature, if I had to get a 250 I would have had to get one in the 6th grade... some bikes are just too small for some people.


Thats where skill comes in.
I have seen large guys on small bikes. Its possible. People are vain though and want the look not the safety. Again I dont know how to impliment this or whatnot but its a good idea, and if it deters the morons from riding then all the better!!! One less rider down!

Problem is, if safety isnt put into consideration thats where we get all these crazy laws like no loud pipes in Denver.
You dont need loud pipes to be safe, you need to be SEEN!

Because your loud pipes dont mean CHIT if someone has their car radio on BLARING, while on the phone and windows up. If they dont SEE you they arent going to know end of story.

We ALL know that our safety is in our hands. So we need to take those steps to protect ourselves by working on our riding techniques and learning from others.

I know people who have been riding street 15+ years and have never gone down ONCE. When you hear about people like this ask them about their close calls and what they did or even DO to prevent those from becoming accidents.

[PlayfulGod]

A tiered system here will never work. And eevn the I agree on the MSF needs to be taken, it doesent make ppl better riders necessarily. A rider wanting to be a better rider will take what he/she learns n apply it. Someone forced to take it will do wtf they have to to pass it n then go back to wtf they want to do anyhow. I never taken the MSF, but I prolly know most of what they teach in it by educating myself and lots of parking lot practice (low speed turns etc, not stunts). The MSF (BRC) just teaches you just enough so you know how to ride in a parking lot. Its up to the rider to take it and add to with practice and further education. The under 18 helmet law I can agree on since most under age kids dont pay their insurance themselves. Over 18 their choice to splatter their brains like a melon if the want too.

And with a tiered system mae, you would be stuck on a 250 :lol: I think when it comes to new riders picking out bikes they should leave their pride/ego at home n get wtf they can handle riding instead of the lastest n greatest. And even starting with a small cc bike n working your way up is no guarantee of being a good rider. I seen people start on 5cc n work their way up thru dirt bikes, then street on a 250 moving up every few years til they got to a liter. And they still can ride for shyt. Good riders want to be that way n do what they need to to get that way. Thats like 1% of us. the other 99% have/ride bikes because its looks cool, (your flip flop wearing squids, public road stunting fools, and the starbuck posers who trailered their bike to bike night).

[Cutty72]

Florida this year just incorporated a law where you can't buy a bike without an endorsement... We have these awesome tags for riders under 21, and we have no helmet law...

Now if we could just get the FL gov to go for lane splitting!!!

480

How do they handle private party sales???

[o2lily]

And with a tiered system mae, you would be stuck on a 250 :lol: I think when it comes to new riders picking out bikes they should leave their pride/ego at home n get wtf they can handle riding instead of the lastest n greatest.


Again thats where SKILL gets put in PG....
Seeing me on a 250 you would been like "WTF are you doing on that?!" As in I need more. Thats why I think skill needs to be a factor as well. Some people grasp the concepts of riding better than others and understand it and the ability of the bike and its power. Others, dont...And its worked elsewhere why not in America?

I agree that some people might just do what they must to pass and get on with it, but many people have had to take the MSF who have been riding for YEARS and have benefitted from it saying it reminded them of skills and menuvers they were just bullshitting thru.
There is more to it then just the basics, the class teaches you several other aspects of riding as well that creatures of habit have forgotten to do or neglected to pay attention to.

[PlayfulGod]

How do they handle private party sales???

they cant :lol: nor any other state. Only thing they could limit is new sales to unendorsed riders. And one reason they prolly aint done that is some ppl actually buy bikes for the track n never ride em on the street.

[Cutty72]

Should have said buy new.... but you still can't register it from a private party sale without the endorsement.

ok, gotcha!

[o2lily]

Should have said buy new.... but you still can't register it from a private party sale without the endorsement.


oooh true never thought about the registering thing!!!

[PlayfulGod]

Again thats where SKILL gets put in PG....
Seeing me on a 250 you would been like "WTF are you doing on that?!" As in I need more. Thats why I think skill needs to be a factor as well. Some people grasp the concepts of riding better than others and understand it and the ability of the bike and its power. Others, dont...And its worked elsewhere why not in America?

I agree that some people might just do what they must to pass and get on with it, but many people have had to take the MSF who have been riding for YEARS and have benefitted from it saying it reminded them of skills and menuvers they were just bullshitting thru.
There is more to it then just the basics, the class teaches you several other aspects of riding as well that creatures of habit have forgotten to do or neglected to pay attention to.

you need more how? As you want more dont need more. You can ride a 250 just like you can a 600. With a tier system they wouldnt care. It would be ok first bike, 250 for x amount of years/miles. And who says its worked in other countries? It makes for a 250 street market for the big 4 n others, but is there any real proff it helps with iggits on bikes? I agree it could help, but we all know iggits will be iggits.

I agree we all can learn something from the MSF, and I plan on taking it. But not have taken doesnt make me any less of a rider. BUT I take it upon myself to read, learn, n practice. I just meant if it was required alot of ppl wouldnt get what us who choose to take it get from it.

And not knocking you're skills, but I know you dont have many miles under you, but you have picked a reasonable bike as a first bike. But I've seen people that can out ride anyone on here on a 250 :lol:, esp in the twisties. Anything power wise bigger is a want not a need. I have a 600 because I want one, others have a liter because the want one. None of us need 100+ horse power bikes that can do 160mph+ on the street. Thats all a want n our pride n egos, me included. thats what I meant by that. :smile3:

[o2lily]

Well YEAH I mean hell PG ANYONE can ride on a 250 forever hell. Like you say power is a want not a need therefore why shouldnt everyone just be riding 250's and they get rid of everything bigger?

Damn skippy I want something bigger LOL I know that I will get bored with it...and not for the speed, as I have said several times LOL I give two shits about speed. But yeah power is a factor.


And as for it works in other places LOL it works bc its law.
Unfortunately also those places with those bike laws also have a helluvas lot more bikes on the road and motorists are more aware of bikes because there are so many of them on the road. Thats where we are at a disadvantage...American people are selfish and think and care only for themselves...meaning either we need more riders or more things to make cagers aware of motorbikes

[PlayfulGod]

Well YEAH I mean hell PG ANYONE can ride on a 250 forever hell. Like you say power is a want not a need therefore why shouldnt everyone just be riding 250's and they get rid of everything bigger?

Damn skippy I want something bigger LOL I know that I will get bored with it...and not for the speed, as I have said several times LOL I give two shits about speed. But yeah power is a factor.


And as for it works in other places LOL it works bc its law.
Unfortunately also those places with those bike laws also have a helluvas lot more bikes on the road and motorists are more aware of bikes because there are so many of them on the road. Thats where we are at a disadvantage...American people are selfish and think and care only for themselves...meaning either we need more riders or more things to make cagers aware of motorbikes

I aint gonna argue the 250 bit no more :lol: you have rode what you have thus far, but I dunno if ya rode a 250 or not. Like I said tho your first bike choice is a good one n you have read up alot. We have alot more cars vs bikes here because we (americans) all have to all own our own cars, f**k the public trans system (I'm in this group :)) most other countires the majority of people dont even own cars. They take the bus, train, or taxi, and/or car pool. Our roads are more plentiful too. but I think if you compare n put into relation of the # of riders vs crashes, it wouldnt be that big a difference.

I'm not bias here tho I hate giving the govt anymore control than they aready have. And only thing that will maker cagers more aware is if they become riders or have friends that are riders. The rest give 2 shyts less n will continue talking/eating/fiddling with the radio/applying makeup, etc until they kill us or themselves.

[o2lily]

better themselves than me!!!

Yeah I rode a 250 in the class and a low power 600 a cpl times too.
Best way to explain it is like being in the 5th grade and being given a 4th or 3rd grade book to read...its EASY...well the 600 was like a 6th grade book...nothing I couldnt handle but a bit more of a challenge (90% of that challenge being weight)


I agree on the gov thing...I dont want then to have any control of anything...that I havent approved...thats why I like the AMA...they are the people fighting for the rights & laws we feel are justified.

I would rather the government impliment something that the community agree with then ones that we do not.

IE: No loud pipes in Denver laws

[PlayfulGod]

better themselves than me!!!

Yeah I rode a 250 in the class and a low power 600 a cpl times too.
Best way to explain it is like being in the 5th grade and being given a 4th or 3rd grade book to read...its EASY...well the 600 was like a 6th grade book...nothing I couldnt handle but a bit more of a challenge (90% of that challenge being weight)


I agree on the gov thing...I dont want then to have any control of anything...that I havent approved...thats why I like the AMA...they are the people fighting for the rights & laws we feel are justified.

I would rather the government impliment something that the community agree with then ones that we do not.

IE: No loud pipes in Denver laws

the 250's the MSF use aint nuttin like the ninja 250R but.... :lol:But the govt will do exactly what the govt wants too. And all we can do is cry about it really. Sure we can protest etc. But in the end they pass wtf they want regardless of wtf we think or want.

I bet Denvers loud pipe law came from the straight pipe harley crowd winding out thru town. How I ride thru town, they prolly wouldnt know mine was any louder than stock, and I have a D&D on mine. But when I get out of town :dirol:

[o2lily]

Well see and thats the thing honestly...you can ride downtown with loud piples just dont rev and MAKE them loud.

The law is crazy tho...clothes washers are louder than the decibles they have restricted them to.

[PlayfulGod]

Well see and thats the thing honestly...you can ride downtown with loud piples just dont rev and MAKE them loud.

The law is crazy tho...clothes washers are louder than the decibles they have restricted them to.

yea but its the iggits that went thru town bouncing off the rev limiter etc that made it bad for all. That n prolly got old stuck up, higher than almighty types on the city board of commissioners etc.

[Cole]

Graduated licences with a "test out" I think would be fine. If you're not good enough to pass the skills tests then you should not be riding.



I have watched too many people die because they were on a bike they should not have been on. EVERY one of them thought they were the shit too. PROVE IT!

[PlayfulGod]

Graduated licences with a "test out" I think would be fine. If you're not good enough to pass the skills tests then you should not be riding.



I have watched too many people die because they were on a bike they should not have been on. EVERY one of them thought they were the shit too. PROVE IT!

That may work but wouldnt be very popular :lol:

[Cutty72]

That may work but wouldnt be very popular :lol:

are there any laws that ARE popular?

[o2lily]

That may work but wouldnt be very popular :lol:



thats the POINT PG lmfao LOL keep the morons OFF the road :)

[Cutty72]

thats the POINT PG lmfao LOL keep the morons OFF the road :)

that too... but then ya just get more people riding w/o license and ins. etc.

[PlayfulGod]

thats the POINT PG lmfao LOL keep the morons OFF the road :)

wouldnt stop the morons they ride illegal as it is :lol: google 'the loop' here in GA all kinds getting caught riding at break neck speeds on dragon like roads with nuttin ot just a learners. :lol:

[o2lily]

not in the case like cole is presenting...must have endorsement to buy or register the bike...the endorsement would show level of riding ability which would determine what power of bike they can ride....

[o2lily]

true PG...morons come in all cases agreed...but if the riding restrictions deter people hey its not a bad thing LOL

[Cutty72]

true PG...morons come in all cases agreed...but if the riding restrictions deter people hey its not a bad thing LOL

that's a big IF tho...

[o2lily]

Well Im sure it WILL deter many from just wanting to get a hot bike to pick up chicks (or guys...ive seen a few girls around here ride JUST FOR that reason)

Like PG said...a lot of people choose their bike because of the look. So if they are restricted to riding a certain class then that might deter those who arent really in it for the ride.

[Cutty72]

Well Im sure it WILL deter many from just wanting to get a hot bike to pick up chicks (or guys...ive seen a few girls around here ride JUST FOR that reason)

Like PG said...a lot of people choose their bike because of the look. So if they are restricted to riding a certain class then that might deter those who arent really in it for the ride.

truth there...

[o2lily]

Yeah but agree with you guys...cant get rid of em ALL...hell even SOME morons still get into Harvard...

[Cutty72]

Yeah but agree with you guys...cant get rid of em ALL...hell even SOME morons still get into Harvard...

it's not always about who you know... but who you blow.

[PlayfulGod]

Yeah but agree with you guys...cant get rid of em ALL...hell even SOME morons still get into Harvard...
yup just look at the govt........................

[o2lily]

didnt you go to harvard?

hehe I AM SO KIDDING!!!

Nah I agree bout the Govt too LOL

[Cutty72]

didnt you go to harvard?

hehe I AM SO KIDDING!!!

Nah I agree bout the Govt too LOL

Na... i did the 2 yr progam in 5.

[o2lily]

I wanna go back to college...

Hell I wanna learn bike mechanics LOL

[PlayfulGod]

Na... i did the 2 yr progam in 5.

:aBigROLFMAO:

was that by choice or can I laugh harder?

[Cutty72]

:aBigROLFMAO:

was that by choice or can I laugh harder?

2 1/2 yrs at a 4 yr college, then got activated, gone for a year, said f' it i just wanna be done. so i got my AAS in Bus Management. took another 2 1/2 yrs

[Cutty72]

there was a LOT of beer and women involved in those first 2 years...
and the first year of the 2 year too! :drinks:

[PlayfulGod]

lol, I'd be done if the math wasnt kicking my ass.

[Cutty72]

lol, I'd be done if the math wasnt kicking my ass.

so you gotta be on like the... 15 year program then??? :lol:

[o2lily]

LOL ok so back to bike laws...what all do they got in your areas?

[o2lily]

the biggest most effecting one here is the pipe law...no helmet laws in Colorado

[PlayfulGod]

so you gotta be on like the... 15 year program then??? :lol:

dunno let ya know when I get done :lol:

[BigCory707]

The only law that matters to me is that lane splitting is legal in Cali. I couldnt survive my commute without it

[PlayfulGod]

The only law that matters to me is that lane splitting is legal in Cali. I couldnt survive my commute without it

thats the only state it is legal in too :lol: I've yet had a need to lane split, but have read numerous reasons for it. I will do it to get myself out of harms way, other than that I think it would give ppl here a heart attack n they would deff run you over then :lol:

[BigCory707]

thats the only state it is legal in too :lol: I've yet had a need to lane split, but have read numerous reasons for it. I will do it to get myself out of harms way, other than that I think it would give ppl here a heart attack n they would deff run you over then :lol:
they cant hit what they cant see, lol

here they are use to us being there so it is no big deal. for example when I went to reno and you cant do it in nevada. I just rip through there so fast, I dont give them a chance to be pissed off until I am gone.

[PlayfulGod]

they cant hit what they cant see, lol

here they are use to us being there so it is no big deal. for example when I went to reno and you cant do it in nevada. I just rip through there so fast, I dont give them a chance to be pissed off until I am gone.

I'm sure it goes on in like ATL n places, but I meant my lil town here :lol: they would gas it hit the car in front of them n causing a chain reaction that caught me on up the line :lol:

[odieoh24]

we cant split lanes here in vermont, but we can pass on the solid yellow and on the double solid yellow. as long as it is a "safe" pass. not a problem on anything i ride! helmet laws suck!!!!!!!! and theyre really strict when it comes to inspection-specifically turn signals. mine wont pass-so i ride without the sticker. have been for the past 5 years.

[MistressOfMayhem]

What laws do you think should be implimented when it comes to motorcycle riding if ANY at all?

What do you feel would benefit the community as well as the rider themselves?

What laws are you strongly against?

Come on lets talk bout all them laws!

I don't know how realistic it is to make everyone take the MSF course. Here in CA you are required to do it if you are under 21 and I think that's reasonable but I think that once you start making something a requirement (insurance, smog, etc.) it gives people an excuse to charge out the rearend for services specifically BECAUSE its required. I think the MSF course is beneficial to people who haven't spent a lot of time on a bike, but if you have experience its a waste of money.

I regularly comment that EVERYONE should be required to clock some hours on a motorcycle so they can at least get a feel for it. Not to mention the benefits it has on increasing their skill and awareness at driving. It is true that not everyone is fit to ride a motorcycle but it's even more true that there are a TON of drivers out there who are irresponsible, careless and probably shouldn't even be driving. There is something about the isolation of four doors and a cage that reassures people that its on the OTHER drivers to watch out for THEM. I could go on for hours about the blatant selfishness and lack of responsibility of a lot of drivers but it would get old and I'm sure I'd be preaching to the choir.

I really don't think that I should be required to wear a helmet, or a seatbelt for that matter. I willingly wear one but I really think that it's a BS law formed for no other reason than to make some extra dough or give the cops a reason to pull you over. People need to be more responsible for themselves and forcing everyone to do so by law is counterproductive. Too many people rely on others to make their choices for them as it is. If you don't want to wear your seatbelt or your gear and you get messed up oh well. Natural selection I suppose.

[o2lily]

Hell yeah I wish we WOULD styop preventing natural selection from happening...cancer? yeah it sucks but eh we are top of the food chain what other way are we gonna get rid of the weak & so on from the population...

Haha I wont go into that rant but:

Great points MoM :)

[NinjaRider]

I think it should be mandatory to take the MSF course if you want to ride.

i completly agree, such a great class with so much information!